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right now on msnbc, defiance or acceptance, those are the

choices in front of president biden as he faces growing pressure to leave the 2024 race. his new comments this morning about his record and why he's fighting on. plus, trump taking a backseat, the former president keeping an uncharacteristically low profile as his advisers hope biden stays in the race. the latest on that strategy. plus, destruction in the caribbean, hurricane beryl now making its way towards mexico and possibly texas. what you need to know about the strongest july hurricane ever. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, i'm yamiche alcindor. happy july 4th. we begin with the growing pressure on president biden to clear up doubts about his fitness to serve. nbc news has learned the president is privately torn between acceptance that he might not be able to win back his party's confidence and defiance that he will stay in the race. in a new radio interview, the

president again acknowledged his brutal debate performance, but biden argued it did not tell the whole story. >> i had a bad night, and the fact of the matter is that, you know, it was -- i screwed up. i made a mistake. that's 90 minutes on stage. look at what i've done in 3.5 years. >> those comments come as vice president kamala harris continues to fiercely defend the president, while two democratic congressmen have called for him to step aside. in a new poll from "the new york times" sienna college shows the president six points behind trump among likely voters. that is outside the margin of error. with us now, nbc news white house correspondent allie raffa, nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin, elena schneider, national political reporter and ferdinand ar man dee, a democratic pollster. the president is doing these new radio interviews.

is there a disconnect between what he's saying privately and what he's saying publicly? >> reporter: yeah, yamiche. you heard the president publicly acknowledge his poor performance on last week's debate stage as he tries to quiet these concerns publicly about him staying in the race. but multiple sources are telling us that privately the president in conversations with his family members, with allies, with close white house staff is torn between accepting these calls for him to step down and defying them and continuing to stay in the race and prove to people that he is fit to stay in it and then serve another term if reelected. my colleagues kara lee and monica alba reporting through sources familiar that the president has acknowledged that the damage done since last week's debate may be too large to overcome, that there may not be realistically a path towards continuing to run and winning the 2024 election, and we know that he is leaning like he has

so often done throughout his political career on his family. we know that his wife, first lady jill biden, his son hunter and now his sister valerie biden owens, she'll be coming to washington today, and they're going to be having these frank discussions with white house staff about what changes are needed to be made to really right this ship. so we saw yesterday the white house after nearly a week after that debate just really launched this full court press trying to calm these concerns. the president trying to ease the fears of not just white house staff, campaign staffers, donors, allies, and also most importantly voters themselves, yamiche. >> well, he is certainly at a crossroads here. elena, there's a lot of finger pointing going on. most of this is aimed at president biden's core group of long-time advisers. anita dunn, mary couples, they have been with him for a long time. how much frustration do democrats have with these folks

right now? >> look, there's certainly a lot of frustration aimed at biden's inner circle. two of those names you identified, but there's a number of people who have been with him for decades who have been with him since his time in the senate who, you know, a lot of democrats feel like are not necessarily giving as strong or as frank advice, giving him a full picture of where things stand right now or maybe giving sort of a protective bubble around the president for quite some time. there's real frustration not only from those inside the white house, but primarily amongst democrats who are congressional leaders, donors, big-time supporters of the president. they're looking for someone to blame in this moment, and they've found it with this sort of insular group of aides who have been with him for a long time. the challenge for them and sort of yielding any kind of result out of that is that this group of people had been with him for a long time and have stayed with him, and so whether or not there's any anticipated changes within campaign leadership or at the white house, still very

unclear at this point, but there's certainly a lot of frustration that they want to at least aim partially at staff for not having sort of been more frank with the president and in some ways better prepared him for this debate. >> and it's really interesting, julie, to hear the president sort of take a lot of this blame on himself here. he's not blaming his aides or his staffers. he's saying i did this. there are, of course, house democrats, now two of them that have come up and said, hey, the president needs to drop out. are there more lawmakers waiting in the wings? >> there's a lot of hesitancy, right? you have these two lawmakers that came out and publicly called on biden to step aside. these are not freshman lawmakers. these are people who have been in the house for decades. they are veterans of the house. so they're coming out and saying, look, it's time for the president to step aside. we need a new leader at this point. we need a new nominee a couple of months ahead of the election is significant, but i did talk to several democrats, i will tell you, not all of them, but

most of them privately have said, yeah, we've been talking to other members. we've been talking after the debate. there is panic that they don't know how to handle this situation. they think in the words of one democratic lawmaker that if they push too hard on biden, it will just harden his resolve to stay in. certainly a point they're waiting for is this interview that the president has this weekend with abc. as one democrat described to me, look, it's a taped interview, it's not live but it's kind of the middle point between a fully teleprompted appearance from biden and the debate. that is a point in time they are waiting for before perhaps we see more of them come out, especially as they come back from the july 4th recess and get together next week. maybe we could see more of them calling on biden to step aside and maybe as one democrat suggested privately calling for an open convention in august. >> an open convention would just be wild. there are other things lawmakers are watching, there's also these

polls that came out yesterday, both show donald trump with a sizable lead over joe biden, especially a number of them are now seeing that trump is having what they see as the biggest lead they've seen in this race. what do democrats say when they're looking at these polls? how worried are they about the state of this race? >> well, yamiche, i think they're extraordinarily worried. the fact that now a week removed from the debacle of the debate, which president biden acknowledges himself was a debacle and the polling has showed trump has opened a lead is very ominous. i think that's why these conversations continue. why? fundamentally, these are still two candidates who have 100% name i.d. everybody knows them. these types of movements in a race after a major event like the debate is what is causing the consternation. that said, you heard president biden in his comments earlier, he has done an outstanding job as president. he should not be judged of course on one bad night. when you look at the last three and a half years of a stellar historic record. the problem is we're also

talking about the next four years. is it wrongly unfair that donald trump is not being given this type of scrutiny, given the fact that he says he wants to be a dictator on day one and the supreme court has created a glide path for a type of king, trump should, god forbid he win the presidency, of course it's unfair. that doesn't change the perception of reality. the other factor here, yamiche, when you look at the other numbers, the president's job approval rating. it's now at a historic low. it's not like he was at the highest approval ratings in his term prior to the debate. in an environment where he had very little margin of error, on the question of the performance of the debate to allay fears, there is now zero room for error should he stay in the race through november. remember, the race gets a lot tougher and more difficult and more stressful, and i think that's why democrats are having this important conversation. there's nothing wrong with this conversation. it's healthy in a democracy and

in a country that recognizes no man or woman is indispensable to the continuation of freedom and democracy. >> it's interesting to hear you say that this is sort of a healthy debate. i've talked to a lot of democrats who are saying this really is hurting the party and donna brazile said it's even utter nonsense when i was reporting the story about the vice president. the president met with these democratic governors and he's trying to calm fears after that rough debate performance. some of them of course are people that are names floating that could replace him, you think about gretchen whitmer and other democratic governors. what more can we say about this meeting with governors and what came out of it? >> reporter: yeah, this was a big meeting that came together rather quickly between the president and over 20 democratic governors from across the country. some of them joining virtually, and as you mentioned, some of them even with their own eyes on the white house potentially in the future joining in person, traveling to washington the day before this national holiday to

be able to with their own eyes make this judgment on whether the president is fit to stay in the race and potentially serve another term, and these governors came out to the cameras after this meeting and called it a very frank and honest conversation. they said it was like a conversation you would have with a loved one where you share your genuine concerns for them, and maryland governor wes moore had some more to say. listen to his comments here. >> we came in and we were honest about the feedback that we were getting. we were honest about the concerns that we are hearing from people. and we're also honest about the fact that as the president continued to tell us and show us that he was all in, we said we would stand with him. >> the white house hoping that these big names throwing their support behind the president is going to help quiet these concerns, but of course you're seeing this split screen between these democratic governors and democratic lawmakers on capitol hill, the number of them growing calling for the president to step aside. so the next few days of this are

going to be critical as julie mentioned, that prime time interview with abc airing tomorrow. so democrats' eyes definitely on that interview tomorrow. >> yeah, the whole nation's eyes are going to be on that interview. i want to ask you vice president harris has become one of the president's biggest defenders here. she really even in some ways has created the talking points that you've heard now from him and others that he shouldn't be judged on the 90 minutes. you should be looking at his three-year record. that being said, if she were to step into this role, would she have the widespread support she would need to mount a successful campaign here? >> look, that governor's meeting yesterday was sort of a prime example of a moment in which she was confronting some of her potential challengers. if we're living in the world of a potential open convention, and a nugget of reporting that came out from my conversations with some of the people who were briefed on that meeting said that she notably closed the meeting with a call for unity, that she really, you know, even using an expletive to get her

point across of like we need to walk out of here unified and together, and look, that tracks with everything that we have seen from the vice president, both privately and publicly in terms of, as you said, even, you know, basically crafting talking points herself about how to deal with this crisis for the president about using the language of this is -- you know, don't focus on this 90 minutes. focus on the last three and a half years, and i think she's built up an enormous amount of goodwill, certainly within the white house, and within the biden campaign more broadly about the way that she's been so forceful. that does not necessarily extend to the wider democratic party. and look, she certainly has her defenders and people who support her and who think that it would be impossible for the party to ignore the, you know, first woman, first black woman, first -- you know, the sitting vice president in this moment to sort of pass over her, if there were some kind of an open convention. that being said, there's plenty of democratic donors,

strategists, party officials who i've spoken to who have also expressed real concern about her being the standard bearer here. so again, it sort of speaks to this moment if it were to be thrown open, the chaos it would touch off would be something to see. >> i know i've talked to her backers and allies who say they would be standing there, black democrats in particular would be standing there to support her and make the case she should be the one if biden were to step down. ferdinand, i want to ask you about "the wall street journal" poll. it also found that 80% of voters say joe biden is too old to run for president, compared to 56% for donald trump. they're only a couple of years apart here. for president biden, what can he do now especially after this brutal debate, to change this perception that he's just too old to run? >> well, you know, he can find doc brown, get in a time machine and knock off ten years. >> we all would want to do that. >> but really that's not going to happen. yamiche, as you said, the

polling before the debate suggested that the main weakness was his advanced age. that's it. unfortunately the debate performance has made that center stage. it has taken the spotlight of what this race should be about, which is a referendum on the dictatorship that donald trump would represent if he were to win the election. it's just difficult to see because there are going to be moments if the president stays in this race all the way through the end that are natural, even for a younger person would tax them. and should those moments reinforce the concerns about age, for those voters that are not anybody but trump voters, unfortunately that factors in. >> yeah, yeah, that definitely factors in. well, you know, i know that you're a democratic pollster. if you end up in the time machine business, you might want to call the president and see if he wants it ferdand, thank you so much, it's a pleasure to talk to all of you on this july 4th. >> happy 4th. and coming up, trump out of

sight this july 4th, but the political world focused on biden, does the trump campaign hope the president drops out, or do they think it's better if he stays in the race. what we're learning about their calculus. but first, hurricane beryl leaving behind a path of destruction in the caribbean, where it's headed and what we can expect. we're back in 90 seconds. we're back in 90 seconds upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast.

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july hurricane on record. hurricane beryl has carved a path of destruction through the caribbean killing at least ten people. the storm is now category 3 downgraded from a category 5. now it is barrelling towards mexico and possibly texas. nbc news' sam brock has the latest. >> reporter: after waiting for days for its arrival, beryl roared over jamaica, but the category 4 hurricane didn't land a solid punch in kingston. still, with winds reaching 140 miles an hour at its core, even a glaning blow was enough to stun. >> the sea has burst the bank. >> reporter: this morning the full toll of beryl's fury on the island is still being assessed, steady rain and a storm surge did leave streets under water, and strong winds threatened to create mass power outages as we saw firsthand. even though the wind speeds were not the 100 plus miles an hour gusts that we were worried about

coming in here in kingston, it was still about 60 to 70 miles an hour strong enough to bend power poles and knock out electricity. the dominican republic and haiti managed to avoid the full brunt of the storm, with jamaica fresh in its wake, beryl took aim at the cayman islands continues its devastating rampage. we do know that communications are compromised on parts of the island. there's a full expectation that as things come back whether it's phone service or wi-fi, we'll be learning more about potential injuries, maybe even more fatalities. looking ahead now as well, cameron county, texas, has already begun voluntary evacuations as the next stops on beryl's paths, mexico and potentially the united states. in kingston, sam brock. >> thank you so much for that brave and timely reporting. let's now bring in meteorologist angie lassman for more. where is this hurricane headed now, and what does that mean for the people who are in its path? >> hi there, yamiche. yeah, we've still got a couple

of days to deal with beryl. we'll likely see weakening. you've heard sam mention mexico and parts of the united states. first up, we still have to deal with some of these impacts across the cayman islands today. the center of that system, the core, is well away from the islands. they're still going to see likely strong wind gusts, upwards of 40, 50 miles per hour winds have already been reported, some rain, but the worst of it is likely behind them. 120 miles per hour winds at the center of the storm means it's still a category 3. we're going to start to see this weaken a little bit. and notice where we see some of those tropical alerts. the hurricane warnings are in effect. we've got some tropical storm watches and warnings as well. the track takes it as a category 2 into tomorrow. by the time it's about to make landfall, likely a category 1. it will see some weakening. it works across the yucatan peninsula through friday. rains, stronger winds are going to be a possibility for folks in that area. then it enters the gulf of mexico. while it does weaken to a tropical storm, likely becomes a

category 1 before it makes landfall. where that landfall will be is up in the air right now. we've got a lot of uncertainty for that. the impacts are a possibility for northern parts of mexico, southern parts of texas, and it could be a slow mover as it moves onshore. flooding will be possible. yamiche. >> yeah, definitely something we're going to have to keep our eye on. thank you so much, angie, for all your reporting. >> next, new developments in the cease fire negotiation between israel and hamas. also, millions are headed to the polls in the uk. what a new government could mean for u.s. relations. a live report from london after the break. ions a live report fr lomondon after the break. al customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with all the money i saved i thought i'd buy stilts. hi honey. ahhh...ooh. look, no line at the hot dog stand. yes! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty.♪

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this morning signs of progress are emerging for a potential cease fire deal between israel and hamas. an israeli official confirms to nbc that today prime minister benjamin netanyahu will meet with his negotiations team and security cabinet to discuss hamas's latest proposal delivered by mediators yesterday. according to "axios," israeli officials say this new draft was constructive and opens the door to more detailed negotiations that could result in a keel. joining us now is nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley in tel aviv. what more do we know about this proposal, and why after months of dead ends is israel now seeing this as constructive given the fact that we've had

really starts and stops here. >> a lot of starts and stops as we're entering nine months since that october 7th terror attack that sparked off this latest round of conflict. we've been hearing from israeli media some details. i don't have details myself on the draft, but they've been hearing and they're quoting some security officials here in israel saying that it looks as though hamas has gotten a little bit closer to that proposal that president biden brought up in late may. when president biden brought that up, remember he said that this was a proposal that had already been approved by the israelis. now it looks like the real challenge is bringing the israeli side on board. as i mentioned, local media here is saying this was a proposal that is -- and one media outlet quoted -- something saying in the security establishment that this is the best deal yet from hamas. so it looks as though some of the pressure, a lot of the pressure that's been to bear on hamas has been working, and it looks as though benjamin netanyahu, again, from israeli media will be sending delegates to negotiate this deal, so we've

been here before. this isn't necessarily a sign that this is all going to work out, and again, as you noted, this has just been interminable negotiations for the last nine months, but it does look as though this is a sign of hope. and again, we've seen signs of hope before. i think that both sides are hoping this time there will be a breakthrough. >> and matt, while you say there are some signs of hope, israel says they also just killed a top hezbollah commander adding to fears of a wider war. what's led to this latest escalation, especially amid these negotiations? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, this is a new escalation, and we've seen this, again, there's nothing new here. we've seen this before, and i hate to keep saying that, but this is looking like another round of recriminations against an israeli assassination of a top hezbollah official. we saw this a couple of weeks ago. this time just today hezbollah and the idf confirmed that there were about 200 projectiles launched from southern lebanon at northern israel, some 20 drones, and again, this is from

the israeli defense forces. this was clearly in retaliation for israel's assassination of a top hezbollah official in southern lebanon a couple of days ago. >> yeah, well, thank you so much, matt bradley for all your reporting in these twists and turns. and across the pond, while it may be independence day here, it's election day in the uk. today millions are voting in the first british general election since 2019. the country has been through the pandemic and three prime ministers since then, and currently the conservative party, which has ruled british government for 14 years is facing a potential landslide loss to the opposing labor party. joining us now is nbc news's raf sanchez in london. so what's led to this possibly catastrophic political moment for the conservative party, and who could potentially be the next prime minister here?

>> reporter: so yamiche, when you speak to voters, what you hear is deep frustration with the conservative party. they have been in power, as you mentioned, for 14 years. the last eight of those has been a period of unprecedented political chaos, beginning with the 2016 brexit referendum. since then four conservative consecutive prime ministers have been forced to resign including boris johnson who you'll remember was brought down by a series of scandals, and so things are looking potentially disastrous for the conservative party. we spoke to one of their city councillors here in london earlier. >> why do you think the public seems to have so soured on your party? >> i think it's a zeitgeist amongst the western world in the parties in power, be they the left or right seem to be getting

a post-covid back flash, which has come from covid, inflation, which has come afterwards as well, and the general uncertainty that we all experience in the western world. >> reporter: so voters very down on the ruling conservative party. they are turning to the center left labor opposition party, potentially going to hand them a historic landslide victory, and that would mean that labor's chief keir starmer would become the new british prime minister, the leader of america's closest ally on the world stage. yamiche, he is a former prosecutor. he is a centrist. he's a strong supporter of nato of western arms for ukraine. that is policy and that is politics that would be very compatible with president biden, potentially would put him severely at odds with a second term donald trump who's threatened to take the u.s. out of nato and to cut off supplies to ukraine.

yamiche. >> raf, it's a good reminder that the whole world is looking to see what's going on here in america as those elections are underway. thank you so much for your reporting. and coming up, with pressure intensifying on president biden to bow out of the race, where is donald trump especially on july 4th of all days? what we're learning about his campaign strategy. plus, the justice department is planning -- what the justice department is planning to do with the cases against trump, even if he wins in november. rum even if he wins in november. camilla tried the new scent of gain relax flings and it changed everything. (♪♪) (silence) (♪♪) (♪♪) hey dave, don't knock it till you smell it. try the new luxurious scent of gain relax flings. try new gain relax scent beads too... for twice the vibes .

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total collapse of the democratic party, that's how former president donald trump is trying to frame the 2024 race following last week's poor showing from president biden at the debate. "the washington post" now reporting that trump's team is actually hoping biden stays in the race. and the former president is taking on a new strategy that's a bit unfamiliar to him, keeping a low profile. joining us now, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard who of course is covering the trump campaign for us, so vaughn, a presidential candidate who's not holding any events on july 4th, that's really unusual for anyone, but definitely unusual for donald trump. what gives? >> i think, yamiche, there's a lot that is unusual about donald trump and his candidacy in general. it's not normal for a candidate to announce they're running for

president a week after the midterms in which your party has difficult defeats, and that's exactly what donald trump did. it was also unusual back in january before the iowa caucuses in that month-long run up to the iowa caucuses there was a lot fodder and talk about the fact that donald trump wasn't on the campaign trail then in that final month, just five days that he spends in iowa but he overwhelms the rest of the republican candidates in that race and ultimately made a quick turn coming out of that primary. so for donald trump, by and large, the american public knows who he is for the last nine years, and he has sort of laid allow, largely outside of his social media presence, ever since the debate one week ago. we should note he does have a campaign rally planned in doral in florida this upcoming tuesday and then a week from saturday he has an event just outside of pittsburgh. so he does have a couple of big events here on his docket, but of course no public events here over the fourth of july weekend. he did post a social media video overnight showing him apparently playing golf, but for donald trump, right, there's part of

that comes with being a candidate for nine years and that is the fact that most folks know who he is and what his message is at this point. we are four months away from the general election come tomorrow. >> well, lying low and playing golf, that's sort of the strategy. it's an interesting one, vaughn, thank you so much. now, former president trump has also been keeping a low profile after the supreme court's immunity decision, but while that ruling has delayed several of his legal cases, it did not end them entirely. trump is still facing a september sentencing date in the hush money trial case, and there will be more hearings in d.c., florida, and georgia in those cases. misty, for a long time, the president's legal -- the former president's legal team was just juggling so many cases, so many charges, so many states. everything now seems to be a bit on pause. what do we expect that they're

doing right now? >> well, it is on pause. that's absolutely the right way to say it, and the reason being this new decision by scotus relating to presidential immunity goes beyond just looking at the charges in these individual cases and making a determination about the charged conduct and whether or not that can move forward, and falls under this umbrella of official acts. it takes one step beyond that, and that's because evidence relating to those official acts or whatever is deemed an official act can also not come into the courtroom, even if it's being used for another purpose other than the underlying criminal charges. it's being used to add context, whatever that might be. so there's a deep dive analysis with respect to all of these cases about what evidence is actually going to be at play as the potential charges are narrowed or changed given the supreme court's ruling. >> yeah, well, a lot to think

about, and terry, what about the prosecutors here in manhattan, they agreed to delay the sentencing. it was supposed to be in july right before the rnc, now it's supposed to be in september. they don't want their case thrown out. what are they doing? >> they're definitely preparing to determine whether or not the actions that they used to support the counts are determined to be official acts and whether or not they have that presumption to have that immunity. we don't have to worry about the counts being thrown out because that had to do with trump's personal lawyer. it had to do with his personal payment, and all of that is quite personal, but what the prosecution is going to be doing is trying to determine whether or not that corroborating evidence -- so for instance, hope hicks, she was the communications director. that conversation that hope hicks had with are trump where they talked about the fact that it would have been bad to have that story come out is that evidence that can be used. if that's thrown out, the prosecution can always say,

look, that was corroborated by david pecker. he said the same thing. so i don't think judge merchan is going to throw out much of the case, if any of the case. some of the evidence might be thrown out, but it's not material to what that jury decided at the end of the day. by the way, i sat in that courtroom every single day. tons of evidence that shows there should have been a conviction and that that jury would have convicted one of these other peripheral acts were in or out. >> yeah, really interesting to hear sort of that breakdown. now, misty, the "washington post" point outs that there's a belief that inauguration day, not election day is the deadline to prosecutor donald trump before the rules against charging a sitting president kick in. lawyers in the department do not believe the policy bars them from proceeding against a president-elect. is that how you see it? is the president-elect not able to sort of face criminal prosecution in the same way a president would here, misty?

>> well, so we're in uncharted territory, but this is certainly a valid argument that the government is raising, and the prosecutors are raising because the president-elect is not the commander in chief until inauguration. that's january 20th. and so based on the doj rules, that applies to a sitting president, so there is that technicality that in between election day and inauguration day, these cases can maintain and go full speed ahead, even though inauguration day is coming up. there is a valid argument there for prosecutors to continue these cases. now, again, because we're in uncharted territory, of course you would see the defense side challenging that and making the argument that even though the president-elect is not technically the president of the united states until inaugurated, he does take on some aspects of the presidency during that time frame like security clearances,

participates in briefings, so that's enough to preclude him from being prosecuted during that time frame. those will be the two arguments that will be set forth. i think prosecutors have a valid argument to keep these cases going straight through inauguration day. >> misty's talking about full speed ahead here, but even full speed ahead could mean that speed doesn't get you to a sentence in the trial before inauguration day. i wonder are prosecutors here -- do they think that there's a time line where things could stand now where there could be sort of a prosecution before inauguration day. >> don't forget, we have the new york case, and we could have a sentence before inauguration date in that case, and i think we will have a sentence before inauguration day. as i said, i think many of those counts, all of the counts will stand, and at some point there will be a sentence that's given, and there's just an adjournment to determine -- that's going to stand. i think as far as the d.c. case is concerned, we already now judge chutkan, she has really

sped this case along. she does not like delay, and i think she's going to have an expedited hearing, which is a mini trial. you're going to see the prosecution there. jack smith, they are going to put in as much evidence as possible. all the cards are on the table here. he wants to demonstrate, no question about it that these acts are not official acts. if they are official acts, the presumptive is that they don't have immunity and he can prove that that's the case. so i think that that's going to be done quickly, and i think we will be able to get a trial even before inauguration. it will be fast tracked, but i think that's possible. the other two cases, no. i think the classified documents case in florida with judge cannon, that's already been marred with delays. one of those delays is whether or not to appoint a special prosecutor. we saw in judge thomas's and justice thomas's concurring opinion he said there may not be

any explicit authorization for the appointment of special prosecutors. i think that case is going to go on for quite some time, and even the georgia election interference case. that was a strong case. we have the call with raffensperger, but i think that could be delayed as well. we know it's paused for the appeal to determine whether or not fani willis will have been or should have been disqualified. >> yeah, well, a lot of cases moving through and the supreme court really playing a critical role here, so thank you so much, misty and kari for all of your analysis. >> thank you. >> thank you. and still to come, the travel records americans are setting this holiday season and how you can avoid the travel chaos. plus, previewing the fireworks show right here in d.c., we'll have a live report on the potomac river next. e rept on the potomac river next. (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪) start your day with nature made. and try new zero sugar gummies.

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the u.s. dollar is really strong. not quite at parity to the euro like a couple of years ago, but it is really strong. airfares are down from last year, and, get this, they're even down from 2019. there are deals to be had, we have a strong u.s. dollar and our stock market just closed at a record high. so people are feeling bullish on travel in general. >> and as you're saying, people are feeling bullish, inflation is cooling, not enough to offset gas prices or restaurant bills. do travelers care about that, are they even feeling that? >> well, it is interesting, you know, inflation this year is up about 3%. a year ago, gas was actually more expensive. so, in travel, you know, we had seen a huge spike during the pandemic, we also saw the crazy prices. travel inflation was like 20% in 2021 and '22. it is coming down to normalize. i think what this is showing to consumers is it looks like a deal compared to what they're seeing at the supermarket and these relatively stable gas prices. and i think we'll see tomorrow

is going to be a record day for the united states. i think we will surpass 3 million passengers screened by the tsa. we have come very, very close this holiday period, but i think tomorrow is going to be that day, which will be a landmark moment. >> and, brian, you said a key word there, that word being deal. so what are the best deals right now and what advice do you have for people who are maybe day dreaming about a last minute weekend trip? >> look, the last minute deals exist. you have to be flexible. my key tip is go to google flights, they have an explore feature. so you can put in your home airport, you can put in a weekend in july or one week and you can actually just put in your home airport and say caribbean or europe. and it will reverse engineer and show you a map where all the cheapest fares are. that's how you get the cheapest flights. i'm also the points guy, i would be remiss not to remind everyone that airlines are releasing tons of frequent flier mile tickets. i checked even this weekend, you want to go last minute to paris, 50,000 miles, one way business

class for $4,000 seat. still, available this weekend. so, don't assume because it is last minute that you can't find those great deals using frequent flier miles and there is a site i called point.me. if you got the points, see where they can take you. >> i will see where my points can take me. maybe i'll go to paris. we'll see. thank you very much, brian. >> thanks for having me. and tonight's skies across the country will be dazzled by fireworks for independence day. bringing with them, of course, a flurry of preparations and safety precautions for folks turning out to watch. so joining us right now is nbc news gary grumbach on the potomac river. what are the preparations looking like? >> reporter: hey there, yamiche. it is ten hours until fireworks take over at the national mall, but d.c. fire and other agencies are already well under way in terms of preparations. we have d.c. police, d.c. fire,

the coast guard, all out here, making sure that boaters are safe because there is going to be hundreds of thousands of people down near the national mall. but hundreds, even thousands perhaps in the water surrounding d.c. so they're focused on three main things today. one, fireworks safety, heat safety, and the third is that boater safety aspect. folks are going to be out on the water, enjoying a few beverages. what the fire chief said is that it is drinking and driving is just as bad in a car as it is on a boat. so, to be very careful about and be aware of that. the other thing is heat safety. that's the usual things about drinking enough water, making sure you have sunscreen. we have both of that here on the d.c. fire boat. and, of course, both here and around the country, the fireworks safety aspect is very important as well. make sure you have sand, make sure you have water nearby. and also make sure you're paying attention to the legality of the fireworks. it is a real patchwork around the country when it comes to fireworks.

here in d.c., you can't lift off anything with commercial fireworks into the air. but other states you can certainly do that and more. so it is a real patchwork of fireworks laws as well, yamiche. >> we're certainly looking forward to what i think is always a great show here in d.c. so, thank you so much, gary. on a boat, of course. impressive. coming up on our next hour, damage control from biden's campaign team. how they're hoping to turn things around this holiday week. much more ahead on another hour of "msnbc reports." another hou of "msnbc reports. hi, i'm sally. i'm from phoenix, arizona. i'm a flight nurse on a helicopter

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